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Socialist parties WANT to be RIGHT-WING.
Date2006/11/26 20:43 by: Ruy CamposI am more and more angry to see PES member parties joining "right-wing" parties and putting aside their ideology.
I will give some examples:
- In Germany SPD joined CDU/CSU to form government when it could very well join the left-parties to form a SPD/Greens/PDS government coalition.
- In France, socialist voters elected a centrist as their presidential candidate. She says nothing to the left and I predict the left-wing will be very fragmented with strong possiblity of Mr. Sarkozy to win the election.
- In Ireland, the Labour Party has decided to form a pre-election coalition with the Fine Gail (center-right party).
- In UK, the Labour Party is already defined as "center-right" by the wikipedia.
- In Slovakia, the socialists are governing with the extreme-right.
- In Lithuania, the coalition led by the Social Democrats have joined a nationalist (almost far-right party)
- In Romania, the PSD wants to cooperate with the PRM (extreme-right/racist/anti-Roma people) in parliament.
- In Italy, the DS (Democrats of Left) want to merge with the christian-democratic Margeritha to form the "Democratic Party of Italy" in the same model of the US Democratic party.
- In Portugal, the PS government is closer to the CDS-Partido Popular than to left.
- In Netherlands, Wouter Bos (the party leader) has said with prefered a coalition with the anti-immigration VVD than a coalition with the Socialist Party, SP (now the third largest party)
- In Luxemburg, there is a Christian-Democratic/Socialist Party.
- In Belgium, the Socialists joined the center-right Liberals in the government.
- In Hungary no comments are needed....
- In Poland the SLD-UP government in its website has addmited it has governed "on the right path"
The only examples of a left-wing socialist governments, unfortunately, is Spain and Norway (not a EU member country). -
Re:Socialist parties WANT to be RIGHT-WING.
Date2006/11/27 09:24 by: FabianSalut Ruy!
Je dois defendre mon parti, la SPD en Allemagne. Cette possibilité que tu décris, la coalition entre SPD, PDS, Grüne, n'était pas une option pour nous. La PDS s'unie avec la WASG qui a été fondé par O. Lafontaine qui a pour ainsi dire déserté son ancien parti, la SPD (!). Lafontaine était déjà ministre des Finances pendant le gouvernement SPD/Grüne. Mais il a déposé tout de suite toutes ses fonctions et a quitté le parti. Auparavant de l'élection de 2005 (dans laquelle le résultat de la SPD n'était pas si mal comme on a attendu) Lafontaine a fondé ce nouveau parti, la WASG, qui collabore avec la PDS. Les deux sont des partis très populistes et sans programme claire. Alors tu ne peux pas les appeller la vraie gauche. Ils ne sont que des parti de protêt. Tu vois que la SPD n'a pas eu un grand choix après l'élection de 2005 et elle fait tout pour rendre l'Allemagne plus sociale, même dans la coalition avec la CDU/CSU (qui était la seule possibilité).
Mes salutiations! -
Re:Socialist parties WANT to be RIGHT-WING.
Date2006/11/27 10:18 by: AndreasI am for intolerance of french responses on english contributions.
Such a thing is showing big ignorance to the rest if the people here. With ignorance you get nowhere. -
Re:Socialist parties WANT to be RIGHT-WING.
Date2006/11/28 18:03 by: FabianI'm not sure if this comment is really worth to be answered. BUT you can indeed see a big arrogance in the only use of the english language. As you see, my english isn't the best. But as real European I can also speak french, of course german, I understand italian and spanish. I think it is not an act of ignorance to answer in the language you understand the best, and of course in which you can express yourself the best. I could also write in german with the justification, that it is (with over 100 million native speakers) the most spoken language in Europe and the other germanic languages like netherlands are very close to it.
I think that Ruy understands my answer, if not he could ask for a translation. But not in this childish aggressiv way, you do.
And you have to remind, that french and english in the PES are treated equally, so why not in french? If there exists any miscomprehension in my answer, you can ask polite but not so arrogant.
